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From: IN%"kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

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CA" 24-NOV-1993
11:35:00.

02

Abu Hurairah or Paul?

Perhaps you have heard of the name "Paul" (spelling?).

There
was a

Paul as the disciple of Jesus.

But this famous Paul is not that one.

He is a person who (some say) did not see Jesus himself except in his

dreams.

He was against the christians on those days, and after a

revelation in a dream, he became christian, and he became the father

of todays' christianity.

Nobody asked him those days:

Where have you been my
son when Jesus was on the cross?

Why do you claim that you
can now expand, explain, and

defend the religion which you fought for a few years?

My point is that: He became the base of christianity and the source of

revelation.

Everything, then, came through him.

Several
rules and

theology of christianity, all came through his sentences which were

not in the original religion at the beginning.

How many sentences, you

think, caused christians to deviate from their true roots?

There is a person named as Abu Hurairah whose history I will bring

after a while.

This man says himself:

1.

113:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

There is none among the companions of the Prophet who has narrated

more Hadiths than I except 'Abdallah bin Amr (bin al-'As) who used to

write them and I never did the same.

All nine volumns of Sahih Bukhari contains 7068 traditions.

From these

traditions, about 1100 traditions are narrated from this man, in other

words, 15.

56% of the whole traditions in Sahih Bukhari (almost 1/6).

(I will soon give you the number of traditions narrated by Abu Hurairah

in Sahih Muslim.

)

As I showed on "Abu Huraira or Loui Pasteur", he contradicted himself

as well as science.

The following hadith is another one where he
clearly

narrates a hadith which is not in accordance with what Aisha and Umm

Salamh narrate.

If we accept that Aisha and Umm Salamh were in the
house

of the prophet more than any other wives, we can easily see the problem

here.

{This is in page 81, in a section titled as:

Is a fasting person gets up in the morning
in the state of

Janaba (will his fast be
valid?) }

This hadith is translated by the translator ONLY up to the end of the

first paragraph.

He then stopped translating.

However, the
arabic text

is still there.

The rest is my own translation.

If you do
not want to

trust me, I suggest you refer to the arabic text.

In addition, I will

bring you more sources for the explanation and translation I made.

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3.

148

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Narrated Aisha and Umm Salam: At times Allah Apostle (may peace be

upon him) used to get up in the morning in the state of Janaba after

having sexual relations with his wives.

He would then take a bath and

fast.

Marwan said to Abdu-arrahman ibn Hareth: Swear to God that by (hearing)

this, Abu Huraira will scream.

At this time, Marwan was in
Madinah.

Abu Bakr said: Abd-arrahman did not like this.

Then it happened that

we gathered in Dhi-Hulaifah where Abu Hurairah had a piece of earth.

Abd-arrahman told Abu Hurairah: I am telling you this, and if Marwan

did not ask me (by swear) for this, I would not have been mentioning

this to you.

Then he mentioned the (traditions) narrated by Aisha and

Umm Salamh.

He (Abu Hurairah) said: al-fadhl Ibn Abbas narrated me so

and he is more knowledgeable.

Hammam and Ibn Abdullah Ibn Umar
narrated

from Abu Hurairah that the prophet ordered for opening the sawm (and

not to fast), (obviously) the first chain (from Aisha and Umm Salam) is

more trustable.

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The above traditions are taken from:

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.

A124E54

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From: asabati@sol.

UVic.

CA (ahmad)

In article elrabaa@sun14.

vlsi.

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ca (M.

ElRabaa)
writes:

> Again Kamran is spelling his misconceptions
into the net .

.

.

>

> 1) Abu-Hurirah (RA) stayed very close to the
Prophet (alihi

> assalato wassalam) for few years, he did not
go to markets

Dear Brother Mohammad, I would like to ask you the following question:

Do you know for how long Abu-Hurirah Has stayed with the Prophet?

The answer is found in the following sunni referances:

1.

al-Milala wa al-Nihal, by iben al-Jawzia, Pub.

Egypt.

2.

Sirat iben Hisham, Pub.

Egypt.

Abu-Hurirah became a moslem only two years before the Prophet (s.

a.

w)
died.

Therefore, How can he report some 2000 hadith in the Saheeh al-Bukhari

alone, while there are olny very few hadiths are reported by Imam Ali, Imam

Al-Hasan,Imam al-Husain, or Fatimah al-zahrah.

How would you explain
such

things ? I am intrested in your objective and scientific answer supported

by some referances.

> Prophet (alihi assalato wassalam) almost 24
hrs a day !!!

> That is why he narrated a lot of ahadith .

.

.

>

> 2) He also narrated a lot of ahadith which he
heard from

> other sahaba (RAA) .

.

.

sahaba
were good muslims and trusted

> each other, so he took some ahadith from the
sahaba .

.

.

>

> As for the example of contradiction Kamran
gives, all I can

> say is this, go and check a fiqh book !!!

>

> I mentioned this before several times .

.

.

to
make a ruling

> of ahadith, you have to check fiqh books .

.

.

it
is not

> a straight forword matter .

.

.

if
someone is interested

> and does not have a fiqh book (like Fiqh El-sunnah)
pls

Dear brother, I have The above mentioned book, Fiqh al-sunnah, by Said

Sabiq, Published in Egypt.

Would you kindly give me the page number so
that

I could look by myself.

On the other hand, since you have Fiqh al-Sunnah book please notce that

when Said Sabiq ( one of very respected sunni scholars and the auther of

the well konwn books such as the above mentioned book) talk about some

issues , he some time refer to the Shiat point of view of that issue.

For

example : Zawaj al-Mutah, Qanoon al-Hawal al-Shakhesaih (the Low of

Marriage).

Also, notice his tone when he talk about the shiat moslems or

scholars!

Please, after you look at the above two chapter of the book let me know

what you think.

AHMAD

UNIVERISTY OF VICTORIA

VICTORIA, BC, CANADA

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From: IN%"kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

CA"
5-DEC-1993 14:28:43.

53

Subject: Statistical numbers

The only hadith in this article was taken from:

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.

A124E54

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Among all sahabah and those who visited the prophet, only a few

narrated MOST of the traditions inside Sehah.

Their number is fewer
that

the number of fingers.

While other traditions say that at least 1400

people were acompanied the prophet in Hudaybiyah.

The Madinah itself
had

more than 3000 inhabitants.

In the Battle of Macca (Fath-al-mobeen), more

than 10,000 people were participant.

In the last Hajj of the prophet,

more than the same number were with the prophet.

From all of these

people, only a few have been mentioned inside Sehah.

Some of these

people, such as Abu Hurairah were converted to Islam only three years

before the death of the prophet.

Another, for example, is Aisha, the

mother of faithful.

She narrated a lot of traditions too.

Let
see how old

she was:

5.

236:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina.

He

stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she

was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she

was nine years old.

Some simple computations say that:

1)- The prophet engaged with Aisha one year before his
movement

to Madinah.

(One year
before Hijrah).

At that time, Aisha

was six years old.

(Another
hadith narrated by Aisha herself

says that she was playing with
baby-tools on those days.

)

2)- The prophet married her in the SECOND year of Hijrah, when

Aisha was 9 years old.

3)- Assuming that the prophet lived only 10 years after Hijrah,

Aisha lived only 8 years with the prophet
in her adult age.

One more point should be added that , as I will give the exact

references, a female easily forgets exact wordings, or the words

themselves.

This is the nature of woman.

Aisha did not have

a superior nature of humanity too.

It is normal to expect that she

might have forgotten some of traditions in its true form.

Let us see some numbers now.

I am going to give you some statistics

about the number of traditions narrated by different people.

I do not

claim these numbers are accurate, since I did not count them by finger.

The only persons whose traditions are counted by me and in person is

Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb and his sons.

Some of traditions which are written

repeatedly by Imam Bukhari are also considered in the following numbers.

As the result, you have to sometime reduce 100 from them.

----

Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of
Bukhari: 7068

----
Aisha the mother of faithful: 1250 (17.

68%)

Abu Hurairah:
1100 (15.

56%)

Ibn-Umar, son of Umar: 1100 (15.

56%)

----
Anas-Ibn-Malik: 900 (12.

73%)

Abdullah-Ibn-Abbas: 700 (9.

9%)

----
Jobair-Ibn-Abdullah: 275 (3.

89%)

Abu-Musa-Ashari: 165 (2.

33%)

Abu-Said-Al-Khedri: 130 (1.

84%)

----
Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb: 79 (1.

11%)

Umar-Ibn-Khattab: 50 (0.

71%)

Umm Salamh: 48 (0.

68%)

Abdullah-Ibn-Masud: 45 (0.

64%)

Muawiyah-Ibn-Abusofyan: 10 (0.

14%)

---
Hasan-Ibn-Ali: 8 (0.

11%)

Ali-Ibn-Husain: 6 (0.

08%)

Husain-Ibn-Ali: 2 (0.

03%)

--- (83% on the whole)

As you can see, there is so few traditions narrated from

Ali-Ibn-Abitalib, and specially his sons.

I have not given other

numbers for other narrators, yet.

The author of this book, Imam

Bukhari was living in the life time of Imam Bagher, son of

Ali-Ibn-Husain, and Imam Jafar.

He did not narrate ONE single hadith

from them.

This is when that Imam Jafar and Imam Bagher were narrating

hadith from their fathers up to Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb and finally from the

prophet himself.

In other words, Imam Bukhari did not accept that

these sons of Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb are WORTHY of narrating hadith, and he

thought that they are liars.

If you look at the sources of Hadith of shiat, you will find that

these people were not silent.

They narrated a lot traditions from
their

fathers up to Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb, and finally from the prophet.

Is it

not interesting?

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

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ca

Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 1: A confession?)

The following hadith is not strange as far as the content of the

hadith goes.

At the beginning, Abu Huraira is narrating the hadith
from

the prophet.

When people asked him whether he heard this hadith from
the

prophet or not, he said that he did not, and he narrated by his ownself.

1)- What I would like you to do for me is to use your
keyboard

and clearly partition the first
hadith to two parts:

a)- The part that
is spoken by the prophet, and

b)- the part that
is spoken ONLY by Abu Hurairah.

2)- I would like you to clearly tell me why people
asked him

whether these words are spoken
by the prophet.

As far as

my knowledge says, people asked
this question only if the

hadith was really strange to
them, such as the traditions which

are talking about future and
some events which were

unbelievable for them, and is
taking place these days.

What was

strange in this hadith, and why
people asked Abu Huraira

whether he is telling what he
heard from the prophet or not.

3)- I would like you to clearly tell me what would have
happened

if people did not ask Abu
Huraira whether any part of the

hadith is truly spoken by the
prophet or not.

4)- If people did not ask Abu Huraira whether the
hadith is told

by the prophet or not,
apparently, people would have

considered the whole hadith as
the words of the prophet.

The

truth was, in any case, that
Abu huraira said something of his

own and attached some EXTRA
words to a hadith narrated

(perhaps) spoken by the
prophet.

I would like you to clearly

tell me why do you trust such
person who adds some words of his

own to the words of the
prophet.

5)- Would you kindly quote all the traditions which are
narrated by

Abu Huraira and accepted by
Imam Bukhari and Muslim, and

clearly draw a line between
parts which are spoken by the

prophet and the words spoken by
Abu Huraira.

I really do not understand how a man allows himself to say something

which has not heard from the prophet and to attach it with prophet

words without even warning in advance.

Or, why he tells something of

his own before clearly stating at the beginning of his own words that

these are his words and not the prophet?

The second example clearly shows that Abu huraira has added to what

the prophet (probably) said.

How about cases where nobody has reported

the something is extra given by Abu Huraira?

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7.

268:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is

rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should

start first to support your dependents.

' A wife says, 'You should

either provide me with food or divorce me.

' A slave says, 'Give me

food and enjoy my service.

" A son says, "Give me food; to
whom do you

leave me?" The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that
from

Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "No, it is from my own self.

"

-

I would like to know why Abu Huraira USED TO add some other places as

well?

-
7.

492:

-

Anas bin Malik said:

Allah's Apostle said, "Do not make drinks in Ad-Dubba' nor in

al-Muzaffat.

Abu Huraira used to add to them al-Hantam and
An-Naqir.

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The above hadith is taken from:

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.

A124E54

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 2: The origin of Abu Huraira?)

Sunni brothers usually quote a few verses from Quran to show that the

sahabah who participated in the pledge of Hudaibyia have high standard

(virtue) and are considered very respectfully.

Fine.

I do
not want to

discuss the correctness of this interpretation and understanding here.

Did you know that Abu Huraira was not muslim on those days, and was not

among muslims on those days, and certainly did not witness the plegdge

of Hudaibyia? Yes, Abu Huraira never witnessed the plege of Hudaibyia.

Abu Huraira was a Jew, became muslim on the day of Khaibar which took

place one year after the pledge of Hudaibyia, and spent ONLY three years

with the prophet.

1)- Abu Huraira became muslim on the day of Khaibar.

This is testified

by Jabir ibn Abdullah.

(Second hadith)

>>> Abu Huraira came to the Prophet during the day of
Khaibar.

I do not need to emphasize this point that the battle of Khaibar took

place between muslims and Jews.

Abu Huraira was a Jew before he became

muslim.

2)- Abu Huraira was with the prophet only three years.

(He himself

testifies in the first hadith.

)

>>> I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years

3)- Perhaps, you better know how others greeted him when he became

muslim on that day.

4.

789:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years, and during

the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the

(Prophet's) traditions as I was during those three years.

I
heard him

saying, beckoning with his hand in this way, "Before the Hour you
will

fight with people who will have hairy shoes and live in al-Bariz.

"

(Sufyan, the sub-narrator once said, "And they are the people of

al-Bazir.

")

5.

458:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

That he fought in a Ghazwa towards Najd along with Allah's Apostle and

when Allah's Apostle returned, he too, returned along with him.

The

time of the afternoon nap overtook them when they were in a valley

full of thorny trees.

Allah's Apostle dismounted and the people

dispersed amongst the thorny trees, seeking the shade of the trees.

Allah's Apostle took shelter under a Samura tree and hung his sword on

it.

We slept for a while when Allah's Apostle suddenly called
us, and

we went to him, to find a bedouin sitting with him.

Allah's
Apostle

said, "This (bedouin) took my sword out of its sheath while I was

asleep.

When I woke up, the naked sword was in his hand and he
said to

me, 'Who can save you from me?, I replied, 'Allah.

' Now here he is

sitting.

" Allah's Apostle did not punish him (for that).

Through another group of narrators, Jabir said, "We were in the

company of the Prophet (during the battle of) Dhat-ur-Riqa', and we

came across a shady tree and we left it for the Prophet (to take rest

under its shade).

A man from the pagans came while the
Prophet's sword

was hanging on the tree.

He took it out of its sheath secretly
and

said (to the Prophet ), 'Are you afraid of me?' The Prophet said,

'No.

' He said, 'Who can save you from me?' The Prophet said, Allah.

'

The companions of the Prophet threatened him, then the Iqama for the

prayer was announced and the Prophet offered a two Rakat Fear prayer

with one of the two batches, and that batch went aside and he offered

two Rak'a-t with the other batch.

So the Prophet offered four
Rakat

but the people offered two Rakat only.

" (The sub-narrator) Abu
Bishr

added, "The man was Ghaurath bin al-Harith and the battle was waged

against Muharib Khasafa.

" Jabir added, "We were with the
Prophet at

Nakhl and he offered the Fear prayer.

" Abu Huraira said, "I
offered

the Fear prayer with the Prophet during the Ghazwa (i.

e.

the
battle)

of Najd.

" Abu Huraira came to the Prophet during the day of
Khaibar.

5.

544:

Narrated 'Anbasa bin Said:

Abu Huraira came to the Prophet and asked him (for a share from the

Khaibar booty).

On that, one of the sons of Said bin al-'As
said to

him, "O Allah's Apostle! Do not give him.

" Abu Huraira then
said (to

the Prophet ) "This is the murderer of Ibn Qauqal.

" Sa'id's
son said,

"How strange! A guinea pig coming from Qadum Ad-Dan!"

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle sent Aban from Medina to Najd as

the commander of a Sariya.

Aban and his companions came to the
Prophet

at Khaibar after the Prophet had conquered it, and the reins of their

horses were made of the fire of date palm trees.

I said,
"O Allah's

Apostle! Do not give them a share of the booty.

" on, that, Aban
said

(to me), "Strange! You suggest such a thing though you are what you

are, O guinea pig coming down from the top of Ad-Dal (a lotus tree)!

"On that the Prophet said, "O Aban, sit down ! " and did
not give them

any share.

5.

545:

Narrated Said:

Aban bin Said came to the Prophet and greeted him.

Abu Huraira
said,

"O Allah's Apostle! This (Aban) is the murderer of the Ibn Qauqal.

"

(On hearing that), Aban said to Abu Huraira, "How strange your
saying

is! You, a guinea pig, descending from Qadum Dan, blaming me for

(killing) a person whom Allah favored (with martyrdom) with my hand,

and whom He forbade to degrade me with his hand.

'

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)

1)- After Abu Huraira became muslim, he did not have anything.

He used

to ask people to recite a verse of Quran, not because he
wanted to

benefit the Quran.

He wanted the person to feel
religiously close

and ask Abu Huraira for a dinner or lunch.

This is
well known

phenomena as "Comibing stomach and religion".

(Or
combing religion

with the money, stomach, power, .

.

.

or with
trivial things)

2)- Even people did not believe that such person can narrate so many

traditions.

{No reference now: It has been told
that Abu Huraira

narrated 40,000 traditions during his life time.

Dinving

such number of traditions to three years of his

companionship will result to 36 traditions per day (!!!).

A reference I gave a few weeks ago confirms that he,

himself, has confessed that nobody among the sahabah

has narrated as many traditions as he did.

Knowing this

fact that he is the second person in rate of narrating

hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, we conclude that he must

have narrated more traditions than is recorded in these

two books.

}

In one given hadith, he, himself, has confessed that people
accused

him of madness.

3)- Interesting point is that there is NO single hadith narrated by

others as the merit of Abu Huraira.

If you search the whole Bukhari

and Muslim as the merit of Abu Huraira, whatever hadith you see about

his companionship with the prophet, and his so called knowledge is

narretd by him ALONE.

On the other hand, when you read the merit of

Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb (Salman, Umar, Zubair, .

.

.

), you can see that
there

were different narrators to say one hadith for Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb (Or

others).

This does not happen with Abu Huraira at all.

All
the

traditions like:

I was a good boy, I did this and that

were narrated ONLY by Abu Huraira.

I am asking you to tell me if you

accept the testimony of person in the court saying that he is a good

boy.

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5.

57:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people used to say, "Abu Huraira narrates too many narrations.

"
In

fact I used to keep close to Allah's Apostle and was satisfied with

what filled my stomach.

I ate no leavened bread and dressed no

decorated striped clothes, and never did a man or a woman serve me,

and I often used to press my belly against gravel because of hunger,

and I used to ask a man to recite a Quranic Verse to me although I

knew it, so that he would take me to his home and feed me.

And
the

most generous of all the people to the poor was Ja'far bin Abi Talib.

He used to take us to his home and offer us what was available

therein.

He would even offer us an empty folded leather
container (of

butter) which we would split and lick whatever was in it.

7.

343:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I used to accompany Allah's Apostle to fill my stomach; and that was

when I did not eat baked bread, nor wear silk.

Neither a male
nor a

female slave used to serve me, and I used to bind stones over my belly

and ask somebody to recite a Quranic Verse for me though I knew it, so

that he might take me to his house and feed me.

Ja'far bin Abi
Talib

was very kind to the poor, and he used to take us and feed us with

what ever was available in his house, (and if nothing was available),

he used to give us the empty (honey or butter) skin which we would

tear and lick whatever was in it.

9.

425:

Narrated Muhammad:

We were with Abu Huraira while he was wearing two linen garments dyed

with red clay.

He cleaned his nose with his garment, saying,
"Bravo!

Bravo! Abu Huraira is cleaning his nose with linen! There came a time

when I would fall senseless between the pulpit of Allah's Apostle and

'Aisha's dwelling whereupon a passerby would come and put his foot on

my neck, considering me a mad man, but in fact, I had no madness, I

suffered nothing but hunger.

"

-
7.

287i:

-

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Once while I was in a state of fatigue (because of severe hunger), I

met 'Umar bin al-Khattab, so I asked him to recite a verse from

Allah's Book to me.

He entered his house and interpreted it to
me.

(Then I went out and) after walking for a short distance, I fell on my

face because of fatigue and severe hunger.

Suddenly I saw
Allah's

Apostle standing by my head.

He said, "O Abu
Huraira!" I replied,

"Labbaik, O Allah's Apostle, and Sadaik!" Then he held me by
the hand,

and made me get up.

Then he came to know what I was suffering
from.

He

took me to his house, and ordered a big bowl of milk for me.

I
drank

thereof and he said, "Drink more, O Abu Hirr!" So I drank
again,

whereupon he again said, "Drink more.

" So I drank more till
my belly

became full and looked like a bowl.

Afterwards I met 'Umar and

mentioned to him what had happened to me, and said to him,
"Somebody,

who had more right than you, O 'Umar, took over the case.

By
Allah, I

asked you to recite a Verse to me while I knew it better than you.

"
On

that Umar said to me, "By Allah, if I admitted and entertained you,
it

would have been dearer to me than having nice red camels.

-

The above traditions are taken from:

The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari

Arabic-English

Dr.

Mohammad Muhsin Khan

Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara

Kaze Publications.

1529 North Wells Street, Chicago.

ILL.

60610(USA)

(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)

Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.

A124E54

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From: imran@panix.

com (Imran Anwar)

Subject: Re: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)

Djamel has posted an attack on the posting about Abu Huraira that bears to

be responded to .

Djamel.

If someone has SUPERHUMAN
abilities all of a

sudden would you not be suspicious.

We do not hear that Abu Huraira
was a

man with a SUPER memory before he met the Prophet.

Suddenly, he
comes to

Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS), spenmds three years with him and can remember

EVERYTHING by some MAGICAL powers.

It has nothing to do with someone trying to make people shia or sunni by

questioning the baloney that Abu Huraira was spewing.

This man was
using

his BRIEF time with the prphet (SAAS) for PERSONAL gain and to continue to

GAIN INFLUENCE every time something came up that required an opinion HE

was the one who came up with some HADEES he SUDDENLY FUILLY REMEMEBRED.

In particular he HATED Aisha and it is a matter of record that he made up

HADEETH that Aisha DIRECTLY contradicted.

This man's super memory came into existence after the Prophet's death when

suddenly from a PC XT type brain his mind became like a 486/33MHz with a

CD-ROM built in with the entire encyclopaedia of Hadeeth.

ANY subject,
ANY

time, he would recall something that no one lese knew or had heard before.

Wow!

The likelihood of this man doing it for personal gain, influence, and

political/social motivation is very high and we should be wary of that

instead of questioning the motive of someone who raised these points.

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From: kaamran@sun14.

vlsi.

uwaterloo.

ca

Subject: Re: Abou Huraira

> Article: 7885 of soc.

religion.

islam

> From: U58369@uicvm.

uic.

edu

> For example they ask: How could one

> man narrate so many hadiths?

Aysha (respected mother of believers) narrated more than Abu Huraira

in Sahih Bukhari.

Ibn Umar narrated the same as Abu Huraira in

Bukhari.

I gave all these numbers in an article titled as

Statistical numbers.

I did not ask why Ayesha narrated so many hadith from the prohet.

I

did not ask why Ibn-Umar narrated so many hadith, or Ibn-Abbas, or

others.

I asked:

How a person who was with the prophet less
than three years

has narrated so many traditions?

The rest is ignored since you misunderstood the original question from

the base.

> Abu Huraira only narrated 5,374 hadiths.

Let us assume that Abu Huraira was with the prophet full three years.

5,374/3 = 1791.

33 traditions per year,

1791.

33/(365-11)= 5.

06 traditions per day.

You tell me how? How a man did this every day? Why he was so dedicated

while much more better people such as Umar, his son, Ibn Abbas and Abu

Bakr did not accomplish such? (with the same density as Abu Huraira, 5

hadiths per day?)

Not to mention that Abu Huraira narrated more than any other sahabah,

based on his testimony.

Some say that he narrated around 40,000

traditions.

Even people who were living around him on that time were

surprised by this man and his narrations (based on the testimony of

Abu Huraira himself.

)

Another part is why such man has narrated similar traditions to old

testement? (parts which were clearly rejected by islamic theology?)

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From: shaun@dt.

wdc.

com (Shaun Astarabadi)

Subject: Re: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)

In <2ghvfa$3nd@gap.

caltech.

edu> djamel@gemini.

ldc.

lu.

se
writes:

>>miracle for Abu Huraira to get super memory?

>>

> Now you seem to recognize your lack of knowledge.

Did
you know that

> the companion and cousin of the prophet SAAS Abdullah Ibn Abbas
has

> got from the prophet his blessings and once sweeped his
chest with

> his hand and prayed Allah for him saying:"
Allahumma faqqihhou fi

> ddini wa 'allimhou min ta'ouili l kitabi" (i.

e.

Oh
Allah give know-

> ledge in the religion and make him interprete the book)?and by
some

> miracle Ibn Abbas became Hibr l oumma (the imam of the
nation),that

> was one of the miracles of the prophet SAAS.

In
almost the same way

> the prophet SAAS made a prayer once for Abu Huraira whn he
complai-

> ned to him his shortage in memoizing.

:

As you noted, Ibn Abbas (r) is recognised, even by other sahabah

that he knew "taaweel" (interpretation) of the Quran.

This
is

different from memorizing of it.

Many people, even today, memorize

the whole Quran, that does not mean the know the TRUE meaning behind

all that is in it.

Ali ibn AbiTalib (as) was another who said that

there was no aya in the Quran that he didn't know when it was revealed

or why it was revealed and what it meant.

The other Sahabah
recognised

this about these persons and there are (mutawatir) hadeeths supporting

their knowledge.

Now, on Abu Huraira.

Although no one thinks/claims that he knew

"taaweel" of the Quran, you did not show any proof that he got

his memory-powers after the prophet (sawaws) prayed for him.

I would ask you to produce the reference(s) in that regard, preferably

a mention by other sahabah on these special attributes of Abu Hurairah,

as opposed to him describing himself.

I would like to make a further

correction, Abu Hurairah after less than three years with the prophet

(sawaws), did not or avoided telling hadeeths during the periods of

the first three "khulafaa al rashideen", at least.

His
hadeeth telling

was mainly during Mu'awiya's time and later - this is at least 30 years

after the prophet.

So he kept all these 3000 +/- hadeeths in his heart

without telling others about them for all this time.

The proof to what

I am saying is that Abu-Bakir, Omar and Uthman (r) did not allow telling

and recording of hadeeths.

There is a report, in it Abu Hurairah is

asked if he told such hadeeth in the time of Uthman? He said that he

wouldn't dare to, and that they would have hit/spank him if he did!!

There is nothing holy about any of the personalities of the sahabah,

in particular Abu Hurairah, that should prevent someone searching

for the truth to investigate and re/evaluate their actions.

They

were human beings capable of errors at various levels, this is not

to say that Allah (swt) won't forgive their errors, if He chooses.

However, if we are to follow their act, in this life, we must be

clear in conscience that they don't deserve to be mistrusted, after

studying the evidence.

For if it becomes evident that they should be

mistrusted, then one's brain (a gift from Allah) would (should) direct

us not to use them as a guide, particularly, in what seems suspicious.